Taylor (29) is a high-earning dentist with a strict financial savings plan and deep-rooted fears about monetary instability. Hayden (25) earns $24K a 12 months, has a historical past of playing and monetary dishonesty, and struggles with budgeting. They reside collectively, however their vastly totally different cash philosophies go away Taylor questioning whether or not marriage is feasible. With belief points, revenue imbalance, and emotional baggage on each side, can they discover frequent floor—or is it time to stroll away?
On this episode we uncover:
Taylor’s strict monetary boundaries—and why Hayden feels consistently judged by them
The actual motive Hayden hides purchases (and what it’s costing their relationship)
Why Taylor resents being the monetary supplier, and the way it’s making a rising energy imbalance
A candid dialog about Hayden’s previous playing—and whether or not belief may be rebuilt
How their radically totally different upbringings formed two utterly opposing cash mindsets
The unstated stress round engagement—and what’s holding Taylor again from proposing
Taylor’s greatest worry: ending up broke and alone
Hayden opens up about insecurity, dependence, and feeling “lower than”
What they really need from one another—and why neither feels protected sufficient to ask
Chapters:
(00:00:00) “He will get to do no matter he desires along with his cash”
(00:07:22) Ramit breaks down their numbers
(00:19:37) “Why have all that cash if you happen to don’t plan to spend it?”
(00:27:06) How childhood trauma formed their views on cash, management, and survival
(00:36:22) A secret $35K loss—and the fallout that just about ended every thing
(00:47:39) “Most of what I do with cash is to get her off my again”
(00:59:29) Is change nonetheless actual if it’s just for another person?
(01:11:52) A brand new plan, a brand new mindset—however will it stick?
(01:17:58) The place are they now? Taylor and Hayden’s follow-ups
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[00:00:05] Ramit: Do you belief Hayden with cash?
[00:00:06] Taylor: Not my cash.
[00:00:08] Hayden: I received into it actually unhealthy. Undoubtedly grew to become a behavior, an dependancy.
[00:00:13] Taylor: I discover out he blew $40,000 and wasn’t paying me [Bleep], wasn’t providing me a dime.
[00:00:20] Hayden: Many of the issues that I do with cash is simply to get Taylor off my again.
[00:00:25] Taylor: I used to be devastated as a result of I by no means wished to really feel like a person was simply dwelling off of me.
[00:00:31] Ramit: The place did you go from there? It looks like it will be actually powerful to get well from.
[00:00:35] Taylor: I believe in a means we’re nonetheless recovering from it.
[00:00:38] Ramit: And out of curiosity, how a lot of that kind of considering do you do with your personal cash?
[00:00:43] Hayden: I do not do any of that. Cash is available in and it goes proper out.
[00:00:48] Taylor: I would like this to work so badly.
[Narration]
[00:00:50] Ramit: At this time I am talking with Taylor and Hayden. Taylor’s 29. Hayden is 25. Hearken to what Taylor wrote on her utility. “I can not appear to recover from the truth that he is not going to observe his cash and be financially accountable. We wish to get married someday within the subsequent two years, however cash points is among the causes that we’ve not gotten engaged but. I am terrified of what our future may appear like if he does not come up with his spending or begin budgeting. It is very severe to me, however does not appear very severe for my associate.”
[00:01:26] When she makes use of phrases like scared, severe, and accountable, these will not be informal phrases. She’s actually asking if she will belief her associate together with her future. Let’s have a look now at their acutely aware spending plan. You may obtain your personal totally free at iwt.com/csp so you’ll be able to know your 4 key numbers.
[00:01:48] Collectively they earn almost $200,000 per 12 months. Taylor brings in $14,614 a month. Hayden earns $2,000 a month, and it’s a supply of actual stress of their relationship. Taylor’s facet of the CSP is fairly clear. Mounted value, 42%. Financial savings, 11. Investments, 11. Guilt-free spending, 36. No notes. Little excessive on guilt-free spending, however okay.
[00:02:16] Take into accout, they don’t seem to be married but, so that they maintain their funds separate. And on Hayden’s facet, we see issues are a unique story. Mounted prices, 67%. Financial savings, 51%. Investments, 5%. Guilt-free spending, unfavourable 23%. Very complicated. I’ve a variety of questions. So let’s meet Taylor and Hayden.
[Interview]
[00:02:37] Ramit: Can I simply ask you guys in plain English– it took a variety of work so that you can get here– what do you guys wish to get out of this? What do you actually wish to get out of this?
[00:02:44] Hayden: I would like Taylor to really feel extra comfy being in a relationship with me.
[00:02:52] Taylor: I wish to really feel like I can belief Hayden, particularly financially.
[00:02:56] Ramit: Do you belief Hayden with cash?
[00:02:59] Taylor: Not my cash.
[00:03:01] Ramit: Hmm. Why not?
[00:03:04] Taylor: I like to make use of my cash very responsibly. I like to avoid wasting. And that’s simply not what Hayden likes to do. And so I believe that makes me nervous.
[00:03:13] Ramit: How lengthy have you ever been feeling nervous about Hayden’s relationship with cash?
[00:03:20] Taylor: Realistically since we received collectively, however not sufficient to really feel like I’ve any say till we moved in collectively.
[00:03:27] Ramit: Hayden, do you belief Taylor with cash?
[00:03:30] Hayden: She’s so tight together with her cash. She’s very accountable together with her cash. She’s by no means given me a motive to not belief her.
[00:03:36] Ramit: Okay. Is tight the identical factor as accountable with cash to you?
[00:03:43] Hayden: To me, no. Me and her do disagree on that. I do assume she’s tight together with her cash in generally an irrational means, however on the similar time, it is laborious to say that she’s not additionally accountable with the cash.
[00:03:56] Ramit: So she’s tight generally, but in addition accountable.
[00:04:00] Hayden: I might say it is a cocktail of each all the time.
[00:04:02] Ramit: Okay. Bought you. All proper. So that you’re dwelling collectively. You are not married. How do you at present deal with cash in your family?
[00:04:12] Taylor: I believe will we, is an efficient query as a result of proper now he’s working part-time and attempting to return to highschool and paying off debt. That is primarily the place his cash goes, so I actually cowl all the family’s prices.
[00:04:29] Ramit: How lengthy have you ever been dwelling collectively?
[00:04:32] Taylor: April, 2023.
[00:04:34] Ramit: Okay, so a few years. So Taylor, to be clear, you are paying all the family bills proper now.
[00:04:41] Taylor: Mm-hmm.
[00:04:42] Hayden: Out of like $100 that I give her per week.
[00:04:44] Taylor: Yeah, he provides me $100.
[00:04:45] Hayden: Yeah.
[00:04:46] Ramit: Oh. The place did that $100 come from?
[00:04:49] Taylor: It was truly a compromise from our {couples} counselor. We have been in {couples} remedy and we talked to our therapist about this. And we got here up with that as a result of I do not thoughts paying for every thing in the home, however generally it seems like he does not have any pores and skin within the sport in any way. So he will get to only do no matter he desires along with his cash. Whereas I’ve to be accountable with my cash as a result of it is our life on the road. And we agreed on that.
[00:05:17] Ramit: Okay. And the way do you are feeling about that train and that association?
[00:05:22] Hayden: I actually want I may do extra. It bothers me that she holds all the load, financially. I believe ideally, I might be contributing equitably.
[00:05:32] Ramit: Why does it trouble you, simply out of curiosity?
[00:05:36] Hayden: Her feeling like I am not invested. I believe that bothers me that I am making her really feel that means, I assume.
[Narration]
[00:05:42] Ramit: Did you catch what Taylor simply mentioned? “He will get to do no matter he desires along with his cash whereas I’ve to be accountable as a result of it is our life on the road.” That may be a highly effective assertion. Hayden is just not contributing equally to their bills, and he is aware of it. However the standout second for me is the settlement that they made. Hayden contributes $100 a month to shared bills.
[00:06:06] And that quantity is not random. It got here out of his session with their couple’s therapist. Taylor wished him to have some “pores and skin within the sport.” Now, I am not judging them, however $100 a month for an able-bodied grownup of their mid-20s is a fairly low bar, and that’s a part of the issue.
[00:06:24] This jogs my memory of what I name the plight of consultants. As an instance you are a private coach. You realize that the reality is to have a wholesome physique and construct bone density and muscle mass and all types of stuff, you must work out, to illustrate three to 4 hours per week, in all probability performing some power coaching. Strive telling that to anyone who hasn’t labored out in 25 years. It is overwhelming. So that they merely shut down listening to that recommendation.
[00:06:49] So what does an knowledgeable do? Effectively, they scale back their suggestions. Okay, okay, okay. Let’s begin with half-hour. Oh, okay. Neglect about half-hour. How about only a stroll as soon as per week? How about only a stroll as soon as a month? The usual will get decrease and decrease simply to get individuals within the door.
[00:07:05] I see the identical factor with emergency funds. I like to recommend a 12-month emergency fund, not as a result of it is easy, however as a result of it provides you true monetary safety, particularly when issues are notably unsure. However every time I discuss this, I get the identical response. Ramit, that is completely unreasonable for most individuals. Okay. That is why we begin with a month, then three months and 6 months, and on and on and on. The purpose does not change, however we are able to make the steps really feel doable.
[00:07:31] That is what’s occurring right here with Hayden. He says he desires issues to really feel equitable, however his revenue does not help that. So that they began with 100 bucks. Superb. I do not thoughts it. However there must be a imaginative and prescient of that quantity going up. I nonetheless have a variety of questions on how the remainder of their cash is about up, so let’s dig in to their CSP.
[Interview]
[00:07:50] Ramit: Okay. I am very curious concerning the numbers. Can we have a look?
[00:07:55] Hayden: Yeah.
[00:07:56] Taylor: Certain.
[00:07:56] Ramit: Okay. Let’s remember you aren’t married, however you are dwelling collectively. So is your cash in separate accounts?
[00:08:07] Hayden: Yeah.
[00:08:08] Ramit: It’s. Okay. However for the needs of this, you additionally added a mixed, which may be very useful. So let’s examine right here. Taylor, are you able to learn off the phrase in daring after which the mixed quantity in full subsequent to it for this complete field, please?
[00:08:26] Taylor: Belongings, $8,900. Investments, $83,952. Financial savings $114,099. And debt, $5,570.
[00:08:49] Ramit: Complete internet value?
[00:08:51] Taylor: $201,381.
[00:08:55] Ramit: Okay. I ought to level out that almost all of the investments are yours, Taylor. So out of 83,000, 82,000 of these are yours. Nearly all of financial savings are yours. Out of 114,000, 113,000 are yours. And the debt, $5,500 is Hayden’s debt. Okay. How do you are feeling about these numbers?
[00:09:22] Hayden: I am very pleased with Taylor. She’s executed rather well. She has no debt, saved up a lot cash, invested. She’s kicking [Bleep]. So I am actually pleased with her.
[00:09:31] Ramit: I like that. Okay. And the way about for you, Hayden?
[00:09:34] Hayden: I believe for me, I am not tremendous upset with my numbers. It is simply the place I’m proper now in life. So I am in a really transitional a part of my life. I believe sitting subsequent to Taylor as a brilliant spectacular particular person would possibly trouble some individuals, nevertheless it does not trouble me.
[00:09:48] Ramit: Ah, okay. All proper. Let’s go right down to the revenue part. This time, Hayden, I’ll ask you to learn off the mixed gross month-to-month revenue quantity.
[00:10:01] Hayden: Gross month-to-month revenue, $16,614.
[00:10:06] Ramit: Okay. In order that’s nearly $200,000 a 12 months in family revenue. Is that right?
[00:10:14] Hayden: No.
[00:10:15] Taylor: Yeah, no.
[00:10:17] Ramit: What’s the precise quantity?
[00:10:19] Taylor: Annual?
[00:10:20] Ramit: Yeah, annual.
[00:10:23] Taylor: 268.
[00:10:25] Hayden: That was yours. After which I believe mine was, final 12 months, 13,000. So 281.
[00:10:31] Ramit: So that you’re solely off by $80,000. Some individuals lose a few quarters within the sofa. Some individuals overlook about $80,000 in gross family revenue. Who am I to say?
[00:10:44] Hayden: Proper.
[00:10:45] Taylor: As a result of I get quarterly bonuses, and I did not know the right way to break that up month-to-month. And so they’re not assured. So that is what I used to be fearful about.
[00:10:54] Ramit: Okay, so that you did not embody them.
[00:10:56] Taylor: Right.
[00:10:57] Ramit: Are you in all probability going to get the bonuses this 12 months?
[00:11:02] Taylor: Possibly. I believe.
[00:11:04] Ramit: What is the odds?
[00:11:06] Taylor: 70%.
[00:11:08] Ramit: 70%. All proper. And also you assume it’ll be lower than the quantity you bought final 12 months?
[00:11:12] Taylor: Right.
[00:11:12] Ramit: All proper, so final 12 months you bought 80k of bonuses. What can be an affordable conservative quantity to imagine you are going to get this 12 months?
[00:11:21] Taylor: 40.
[00:11:22] Ramit: 40k. 50% of what you made final 12 months in bonuses. Would that be cheap to imagine? Can you are feeling assured you will hit that?
[00:11:28] Taylor: Sure.
[00:11:28] Ramit: Okay, that is your quantity. That is how we do it. We do not let indecision cease us from making projections. We choose a quantity. We at all times choose a conservative quantity as a result of if we’ll get shocked, we’ll get shocked within the constructive means, not the unfavourable means. After which we transfer on with our life.
[00:11:44] Taylor: Mm-hmm.
[00:11:45] Ramit: All proper, I’ll replace this. We simply added 2,500 month in take house pay. The revenue disparity between the 2 of you is sort of hanging. Can I ask what every of you does for a dwelling, beginning with Taylor?
[00:12:02] Taylor: I am a dentist.
[00:12:03] Ramit: Okay. Hayden?
[00:12:05] Hayden: I part-time bartend and dabble in actual property.
[00:12:09] Ramit: Okay. And have been you each in these occupations if you first met? Okay. That is attention-grabbing. Hayden, have been you incomes the identical quantity if you met as you are actually?
[00:12:23] Hayden: No. I used to be making about 3 times as a lot.
[00:12:25] Ramit: What occurred?
[00:12:26] Hayden: I moved. That is what occurred. I used to be at a job after we met, and it was a fairly good gig. We have been doing rather well. It is a fairly in style bar the place I am from. However then she graduated from dental faculty, moved to Knoxville, after which, I do not know, six or eight months later I used to be there.
[00:12:43] Ramit: Okay. So that you moved to be nearer to Taylor.
[00:12:46] Hayden: Yeah, we moved in collectively. That was the purpose of me transferring.
[00:12:49] Ramit: Okay. And making 60k, that is fairly good dwelling. What occurred to the cash?
[00:12:55] Hayden: Oh, I spent all of it. At 21, I used to be having a variety of enjoyable.
[00:12:58] Ramit: Mm-hmm. Is it totally different now?
[00:13:01] Hayden: Yeah. I am positively higher with my cash now than I ever was making nearer to 60.
[00:13:07] Ramit: Shifting on, mounted prices. What’s that share, Taylor?
[00:13:11] Taylor: 36%.
[00:13:12] Ramit: All proper. What do you consider that quantity?
[00:13:15] Taylor: I believe it appears to be like nice.
[00:13:17] Ramit: Yeah, that is fairly low. Often, I like to recommend individuals have their mounted prices between 50 to 60%. And honestly, most individuals are on the greater finish of that, if not over. What does that let you know, Hayden?
[00:13:34] Hayden: Based mostly off the family revenue, our life is just not very costly.
[00:13:38] Ramit: That is right. That is precisely proper. Your mounted prices, your housing prices, your auto prices, they’re fairly low. So what which means is you in all probability have a variety of extra cash to do stuff with. I’ve no critiques as a result of if you happen to’re at 36%, I’ve no notes. However simply to undergo it. Debt fee is at 600 bucks. That is in your debt, Hayden. Is that proper?
[00:14:00] Hayden: Yeah. I prefer to pay round that each month.
[00:14:03] Ramit: What is the debt for?
[00:14:04] Hayden: There’s slightly bit of college, IRS, slightly little bit of bank card.
[00:14:12] Ramit: Okay. All proper. When is that this debt going to be paid off?
[00:14:16] Hayden: I simply had a list go reside and went underneath contract the following day. If that have been to shut, it will repay all my debt, all of it.
[00:14:23] Ramit: All proper. Let’s proceed transferring alongside. We’ve got your investments. Investments are at 9%. That is Taylor placing apart 1,000 bucks a month in a post-tax retirement, and Hayden is placing $83 apart monthly. Okay, cool. Let’s maintain transferring. Financial savings at 10%. Is that this actual? What the hell? Learn these numbers off to me.
[00:14:50] Taylor: Lengthy-term emergency, zero; marriage ceremony, zero, home.
[00:14:54] Ramit: You do have $114,000 in financial savings, in order that’s years and years of financial savings
[00:15:01] Taylor: Yeah. So the zeros are as a result of I am executed saving. I’ve hit my purpose. They’re there, however I am now not including to them.
[00:15:08] Ramit: Spherical of applause for that. That may be a beautiful factor to listen to. I am executed. I hit my objectives. It is so uncommon we get to say that, however you probably did it. Nice job.
[00:15:15] Taylor: Thanks.
[00:15:16] Ramit: Okay, maintain on. Hayden, how come you are placing 600 bucks a month apart for holidays?
[00:15:26] Hayden: It isn’t essentially holidays. That 600 bucks a month that I am placing apart is like my sinking fund, in order that I can use it throughout instances the place it is time to have enjoyable, I assume.
[00:15:40] Ramit: Wait, is not enjoyable paying off your debt?
[00:15:43] Hayden: It isn’t very enjoyable.
[00:15:48] Ramit: I get that you just’re utilizing it as a sinking fund. I truly assume that is actually good, particularly when you may have irregular revenue.
[00:15:53] Hayden: Within the industries that I work in, it is very a lot financial system primarily based. I made $2,000 a month, however that is not essentially the case. The previous two months, I would’ve made $1,300 or $1,200.
[00:16:07] Ramit: What do you do if you make 1,300 as a substitute of 2000?
[00:16:12] Hayden: I simply determine it out. I haven’t got plans in place or something like that. I make the cash after which I put a certain quantity the place I do know it has to go, after which I am left with the remainder. And if it is 200 bucks that month, I would spend it on myself. I would exit to eat or go see a film or exit with pals, no matter.
[00:16:32] Ramit: Okay. Taylor, as you are listening to this, what are you feeling proper now?
[00:16:37] Taylor: I really feel pissed off proper now. Simply upset, slightly hopeless.
[00:16:44] Ramit: Mm-hmm.
[00:16:45] Taylor: Typically once I hear him speak, I am like, “I do not perceive how that does not simply offer you raging nervousness on a regular basis.” But additionally, the issues that he does with the cash, the actions additionally simply not what I might do, not what I’ve executed prior to now. As a result of there was a time earlier than I used to be making $268,000.
[00:17:08] Ramit: Let’s take a look at the ultimate numbers right here, after which I wish to perceive extra about your relationships with cash. In line with this, you may have 45% of cash going to guilt-free spending. Now, everyone knows that is not occurring, proper? You are not spending $5,600 a month on guilt-free spending. True or false?
[00:17:29] Taylor: True.
[00:17:30] Ramit: Okay. So the place’s the cash going? It is looks like it is simply going to financial savings.
[00:17:35] Hayden: Yeah, it is being hoarded.
[00:17:37] Ramit: Oh, what was that phrase?
[00:17:38] Hayden: Hoarded. It is being hoarded.
[00:17:42] Ramit: What does that imply, hoarded?
[00:17:43] Hayden: It is being saved and nothing’s occurred with it. As a lot as one can accumulate, they’re maintaining it.
[00:17:50] Ramit: Oh, that is fairly revealing. So is cash in financial savings being hoarded?
[00:17:57] Taylor: I do not assume so. I believe cash in financial savings, there is a purpose for that.
[00:18:01] Ramit: Okay. Taylor says no. Hayden, what do you say?
[00:18:04] Hayden: I believe if we have been saving all the cash, certain. However I believe you may have checking accounts which have tens of 1000’s of {dollars}.
[00:18:14] Taylor: Not proper now. No, I do–
[00:18:15] Hayden: Oh, okay.
[00:18:16] Taylor: I put that there with a view to then place it elsewhere. There’s a purpose for that.
[00:18:21] Hayden: Bought you.
[00:18:22] Ramit: What is the distinction between financial savings and hoarding, or is there not a distinction? Hayden?
[00:18:27] Hayden: I believe if she has a plan for mentioned cash, then that is honest. Okay, she has $50,000 or one thing like that in a marriage fund. I do not purchase that she plans to spend 50k on a marriage. Go forward.
[00:18:40] Ramit: Maintain on, Taylor. I wish to hear what Hayden has to say.
[00:18:42] Hayden: Additionally, as a result of we have talked about it earlier than. She does not plan to spend $50,000 on a marriage. So in my head it is like, why do you may have all of that cash if you happen to do not plan to make use of it for that?
[00:18:51] Ramit: Hayden, if she says she’s not going to spend 50k on a marriage, however has 50k in a marriage fund, why would possibly she try this?
[00:18:59] Hayden: I believe with the emergency buffer being in all of those accounts, she has extra in these accounts than she’s truly wanting to make use of for this stuff. That is why I might name it hoarding and he or she would name it simply being cautious.
[00:19:12] Ramit: In your view, how a lot ought to she have for a marriage fund?
[00:19:16] Hayden: Oh, I would not wish to spend $50,000 on a marriage, so I am nearer to half of that possibly.
[00:19:23] Ramit: So she ought to have 25k in a marriage fund. What ought to she do with the remainder of the cash?
[00:19:30] Hayden: That 25,000, in all probability make investments. Or put it elsewhere, have one other purpose possibly.
[00:19:37] Ramit: And out of curiosity, how a lot of that kind of considering do you do with your personal cash?
[00:19:42] Hayden: I do not do any of that. I am very reverse. Cash is available in and it goes proper out.
[00:19:48] Ramit: Hmm. Okay. Taylor, did you may have one thing you wished so as to add?
[00:19:56] Taylor: No, I used to be identical to, “You ate with that. You ate with that, sir?”
[00:20:00] Ramit: In line with the acutely aware spending plan that you just each submitted to me, Hayden, you may have $1,070 in financial savings.
[00:20:08] Hayden: Yeah. I’ve received one other 1,000 in investments as properly. After which in relation to simply cash on me, it is about one other 1,000.
[00:20:19] Ramit: You’ve $1,000 {dollars} on you proper now?
[00:20:22] Hayden: Between money and checking, yeah.
[00:20:25] Ramit: The place? Is it in your pocket proper now? Are you able to present me?
[00:20:28] Hayden: No, it is in my checking account, and I’ve some money. It is likely to be like– oh, yeah, there it’s.
[00:20:33] Ramit: Wait. Present me what’s in there. We do not normally present money on this present. Simply present me what’s in there.
[00:20:38] Hayden: There’s in all probability, I believe $180 in there.
[00:20:41] Ramit: Initially, that is attention-grabbing. Taylor is pulling out a portfolio. Maintain that as much as the digital camera. Maintain that up. Okay. What within the hell? Oh. Maintain on, maintain on, maintain on. Decelerate, decelerate. Return. So this is sort of a money pockets. I have never seen certainly one of these in a very long time. There’s laminated plastic, they usually have cash, and it says gasoline. And so they actually have cash. They’re doing the envelope system. Okay, in order that’s gasoline. Let’s go to the following one.
[00:21:04] They’ve one referred to as payments. It is a bit of a obscure description, however okay. What’s subsequent? They’ve one referred to as sinking fund. Effectively executed. Seems to be like there is a $10 or– there’s nothing in there. Okay, there’s nothing in there. Subsequent up they’ve faculty. There is a $10 invoice in there. Oh and a 5. Okay. Possibly there’s extra. I am unable to actually inform. Shifting alongside. Financial savings has nothing in it. Okay. DG night time. What’s that?
[00:21:33] Taylor: Date night time.
[00:21:34] Ramit: Oh, date night time. Oh, date night time. Okay. All proper. Date night time. That has zero in it. All proper. Subsequent? Remedy has $100 in it. Okay. And possibly extra. I am unable to inform, however maintain going. Actual property has zero. Okay. Roth IRA has nothing. Okay. And we’re on the finish. Wow. Okay.
[00:21:55] Initially, I received to say, I like the group system. The envelope system is sort of efficient for people who find themselves not making some huge cash and must be extraordinarily diligent. It is also good for individuals who have traditionally been irresponsible with their cash as a result of it’s a very clear black and white technique. When the cash runs out, that is it.
[00:22:14] And to must actually and figuratively raise it from one other envelope and put it on this envelope, you understand like, oh [Bleep]. Why am I withdrawing my go to Cheesecake to Manufacturing unit? That does not fairly make sense. So who got here up with that system?
[00:22:29] Hayden: Taylor did.
[00:22:31] Ramit: Mm-hmm.
[00:22:32] Hayden: Effectively, I believe Taylor discovered it on TikTok after which introduced it to me and was like, “Hey.”
[00:22:37] Ramit: Taylor did not discover that in my e book? I additionally referenced that in I Will Train You to Be Wealthy, however we’ll go away that for one more day. Okay. Taylor, in your utility, you wrote, “I believe we’re hesitant to get engaged due to totally different cash philosophies.” Taylor, let’s go to you. What are your philosophies round cash?
[00:22:58] Taylor: I really feel like cash is energy. When you may have cash, you are extra more likely to not solely simply do the belongings you need, however to begin with, keep alive. It is a security factor. To just remember to’re at all times taken care of, your loved ones, your partner, your kids, whoever is at all times taken care of in hopes that you just by no means have the rug pulled underneath you.
[00:23:23] Ramit: What do you say, Hayden?
[00:23:24] Hayden: My philosophy with cash is that it does not actually have worth. I do know that is not true. I am simply letting you know the way my mind works. Cash is barely right here so as to pay for issues that do matter, like experiences, issues like that.
[00:23:41] Ramit: So if you say cash does not have worth, are you actually saying, “I prefer to reside for right this moment and I do not actually care about investing or saving for tomorrow?”
[00:23:48] Hayden: Yeah.
[00:23:49] Ramit: Mm-hmm. Taylor, what do you hear from Hayden?
[00:23:53] Taylor: I hear that, “I do not worth the issues that cash may present. I do not see cash as security. I do not want security. I am fearful about proper now, and no matter occurs later, no matter.”
[00:24:08] Hayden: Yeah. I believe she’s proper in all of that. I believe I would go slightly bit deeper than that. I believe that our philosophies come from our personal private traumas, and I believe the best way that we reconcile that’s by way of remedy, self-reflection, follow, stuff like that. We’re a pair and we’re one, nevertheless it’s way more particular person, like I mentioned, trauma that I believe we each must work out. Yeah.
[Narration]
[00:24:32] Ramit: Do you hear the distinction in how they discuss cash? For Taylor, cash means security, management, energy. She sees cash as a device for stability and management. For Hayden, it is totally different. He says cash has “no worth.” These are his actual phrases. Hayden sees cash as a ticket to enjoyable and freedom.
[00:24:52] Now, the excellent news is you’ll be able to even have a wholesome, glad relationship, even when each of you see cash in another way. However you do have to seek out some shared, significant imaginative and prescient. What actually stands out to me is also when Hayden says Taylor hoards cash. That phrase alternative is revealing.
[00:25:12] Hayden himself does not actually know a lot about cash, however when he sees Taylor dealing with it, he calls it hoarding. I believe that Hayden is consciously or unconsciously demonizing Taylor’s cash administration in order that he does not have to have a look within the mirror at his personal funds.
[00:25:27] And if anyone who’s in a relationship the place one particular person handles all the cash and the opposite one avoids it, ship them this episode. It is likely to be the beginning of a dialog they have been avoiding for years.
[Interview]
[00:25:40] Ramit: Hayden, what do you bear in mind your loved ones saying about cash if you have been younger?
[00:25:46] Hayden: It actually wasn’t mentioned all that a lot. It was extra of these, there’s grownup points after which there’s issues that children want to fret about. So a variety of the time I used to be left at midnight about cash.
[00:25:59] Ramit: Had been you rising up with two dad and mom?
[00:26:03] Hayden: 4 dad and mom. I grew up in two totally different households.
[00:26:05] Ramit: Ah, received it.
[00:26:06] Hayden: My dad and my stepmom, once more, they did not actually talk about cash with me, however I do know that was way more of a center class house than the opposite home was.
[00:26:15] Ramit: What was the opposite home, if it isn’t center class?
[00:26:18] Hayden: Increased center class. I went to personal faculty from kindergarten to twelfth grade.
[00:26:26] Ramit: How a lot did that value? Do you may have a way?
[00:26:29] Hayden: By way of these 12 years altogether?
[00:26:31] Ramit: Per 12 months.
[00:26:31] Hayden: Oh, per 12 months. I believe once I was youthful it was 3 to $5,000 a 12 months. After which highschool it was like 12 to 14 a 12 months.
[00:26:41] Ramit: You used the phrase trauma because it pertains to cash, and I’m wondering– if I am overstepping, we are able to merely not discuss this, however I am curious, is there one thing that affected your relationship with cash that occurred in your previous?
[00:26:57] Hayden: Yeah. I believe for each of us let’s imagine that.
[00:27:00] Ramit: Okay. Inform me about yours first.
[00:27:02] Hayden: After I was 15, I had a very good buddy cross away. July 4th, 2015 is when he died, and it was most cancers. He was my age. In order that was fairly powerful. After which July sixth, 2016, so a 12 months and two days later, my dad handed away, most cancers once more. I’ve skilled extra loss in 25 years than possibly your common particular person would. So I am positively dwelling for the second. Why am I going to avoid wasting up for cash to spend once I’m 45, when I’ll die at 42?
[00:27:39] Ramit: I am so sorry you misplaced your dad and your buddy. That loss actually weighs on you, particularly coming days aside.
[00:27:50] Hayden: Proper. Yeah.
[00:27:51] Ramit: I am so sorry. Whenever you say that after that occurred, you have been principally dwelling for the second. Are you able to assist me perceive that? Why did you make that conclusion?
[00:28:01] Hayden: In spite of everything that occurred, saving simply sounded actually silly, truthfully. Sorry.
[00:28:05] Ramit: Why?
[00:28:05] Hayden: As a result of saving for what? My dad was a firefighter. He labored tremendous laborious. He had three children and a spouse. He was saving after which he simply received most cancers and died.
[00:28:18] Ramit: How outdated was your dad when he handed away?
[00:28:20] Hayden: 42.
[00:28:20] Ramit: 42. In order that’s why you mentioned I am not even going to be round previous 42.
[00:28:24] Hayden: Proper. My dad was this massive dude. He was a firefighter. He was an expert hero. So rising up, this dude is invincible. And when he had the most cancers, from his analysis, it was six months when he died. So him dying at 42, how am I going to make it previous that?
[00:28:43] Ramit: What if you happen to did?
[00:28:44] Hayden: I believe I in all probability will. If I truly sit down and rationally give it some thought, there isn’t a proof to say that I’ll die at 42 years outdated. His dad continues to be alive.
[00:28:55] Ramit: So can I ask you, financially talking, what if you happen to do, what if you happen to’re 43, 45? What if?
[00:29:02] Hayden: Yeah, I wish to have thought, at 43, 44, 45 that I possibly began saving for these years at 25 and began planning as a younger man, in order that at 42, 43, I’ve a household and we’re all okay and everyone feels protected.
[00:29:17] Ramit: The best way you discuss, it is nearly like rationally, cerebrally, I do know I ought to in all probability save as a result of I am in all probability going to reside longer than 42. However deep down, that is not how I really feel. I really feel I’ll spend it now.
[00:29:35] Hayden: It feels foolish to say no to one thing enjoyable in order that I can save for one thing sooner or later. That is the way it feels for me. It feels foolish to not simply say sure and go do all of it. Yeah.
[00:29:50] Ramit: Okay. I believe you actually helped me perceive a few of the place your philosophy on cash comes from.
[00:29:56] Hayden: Hmm.
[00:29:57] Ramit: Truthfully, it will not have been apparent to me simply from trying on the numbers. One of many causes that I really feel so grateful, I get an opportunity to ask individuals their story and provides them the house to essentially share it. So I respect that.
[00:30:08] Taylor, what about you? What do you bear in mind your loved ones saying about cash if you have been rising up?
[00:30:15] Taylor: So much, loads. And never in a enjoyable means. So my dad and mom, they have been additionally actually by no means collectively. They hang around one night time, and my mother was like, “Oh, there is a child right here.” They have been by no means actually pals. They only co-parented. My dad sort of paid little one helps generally when he may, I assume.
[00:30:40] My dad additionally had a previous with dependancy, so there was a variety of time that he was out and in of jail, did not actually get to see me as a lot, if he could not cross a drug take a look at or wasn’t paying little one help. After which in that point my mother was holding it down simply her for me and my brother. My mother had a tough time maintaining a job as a result of she is epileptic. So generally she would have seizures on the job and get fired due to that as a result of it was a legal responsibility factor.
[00:31:10] And so there have been instances that my mother did not have a job and we have been simply figuring it out. I bear in mind particularly a time in highschool, and it is a, hehe, haha joke with my mother now, however there was a time in highschool that my mother had $11 and 23 cents in her checking account and we have been to make it till every time we have been going to receives a commission once more. And there wasn’t loads in the home on the time.
[00:31:34] And so I at all times saved up birthday cash, report card cash anytime I wished to do something. But additionally, if we ever received into a tough scenario, I may assist. I by no means had a job in highschool as a result of I targeted loads on extracurriculars as a result of I knew if I used to be going to go to varsity, you needed to be the perfect rattling pupil you have been going to be as a result of it needed to receives a commission for. In order that’s why cash is security for me. It is energy. As a result of I did not have that basically in any respect rising up.
[00:32:03] Ramit: Yeah. Wow. Do you assume you needed to develop up as a child earlier than you have been prepared?
[00:32:11] Taylor: Oh yeah. For certain. One thing I’ve talked to my therapist about is feeling like I’ve to mum or dad my dad and mom as a toddler. Yeah.
[00:32:21] Ramit: You do any of that on this relationship?
[00:32:24] Taylor: Rattling, caught us. Sure.
[00:32:27] Ramit: Mm-hmm.
[Narration]
[00:32:27] Ramit: I at all times ask individuals how they realized about cash rising up as a result of usually we recreate the monetary dynamics that we noticed as children. We simply do not understand it. Let’s check out Taylor. She grew up in a family marked by instability, monetary stress, well being points, even incarceration. Her dad and mom weren’t dependable with cash, so what did she do? She stepped up.
[00:32:48] As a toddler, she began saving not only for herself, however to assist her mother to maintain the family working. She grew to become, in methods, the mum or dad. Now quick ahead to maturity. Taylor’s the saver, the contributor. Her associate is unreliable with cash identical to her dad and mom, and Taylor feels most secure when she’s the one in management. It reinforces that perception she’s been caring since she was a child. If I do not handle it, nobody else will.
[00:33:16] After which there’s Hayden. When he was 16, he misplaced his dad. His dad was solely 42 years outdated. That loss formed how he sees every thing. In reality, a lot of the guys that I do know who misplaced their dads early have advised me they count on to die on the similar age. That perception that he is going to die early shapes his view of cash. It does not justify every thing, however a minimum of it helps us begin to make sense of it. However then I found one thing that broke the belief of their relationship.
[Interview]
[00:33:46] Hayden: Proper now, we’re positively in that mother-son dynamic in our relationship. I would like that gone. I would like us to be equitable companions, a crew taking over every thing.
[00:33:57] Ramit: Okay. I like that imaginative and prescient, as companions, not parent-child dynamic. I like that. Now let’s return to the place you might be right this moment. For those who proceed the best way that you just’re each going right this moment, the place are you 5, 10 years from now?
[00:34:07] Taylor: The place we’re proper now.
[00:34:09] Ramit: Yeah, similar factor. Simply greater numbers.
[00:34:12] Hayden: I believe possibly we’re in a greater spot, however I believe, once more, Taylor has dictated how we received there.
[00:34:18] Ramit: Yeah. So who must make the change out of the 2 of you? Most likely each, however who must primarily make the modifications?
[00:34:27] Hayden: I would say me. That is what I might say. I believe that I must be extra dependable, possibly do extra of the issues with cash that I say I’ll do. And I believe that’ll make her really feel higher backing off.
[00:34:40] Ramit: What if you happen to do not?
[00:34:43] Hayden: I believe the mother-son dynamic will simply proceed till we half methods.
[00:34:47] Ramit: Mm-hmm. Taylor, you agree with that?
[00:34:50] Taylor: Yeah. We have had a variety of discussions, and he does not actually like to speak about this, however I’ve advised him that if I do not assume that issues are altering, I do not assume I may be with somebody that I do not belief. I actually don’t need that for us, and in order that’s why I really feel like we’re attempting to do every thing we are able to to get on the identical web page.
[00:35:08] Ramit: What’s his trusting? You talked about it a few instances, and this factor about bringing cash collectively. What occurred to this cash? Is there one thing there with the belief?
[00:35:19] Hayden: So I received into playing once I was about 18 years outdated.
[00:35:25] Ramit: Okay. What occurred?
[00:35:27] Hayden: I received into it actually unhealthy. Undoubtedly grew to become a behavior, an dependancy, to the purpose the place I used to be simply, again– and somebody who does not worth cash, it isn’t an amazing dependancy to have. As a result of I used to be simply blowing all of it till I received that hit, that win, that massive euphoric feeling. So when me and Taylor first moved in collectively and I had cash from the home that I offered, I blew all of it in not all lot of time.
[00:35:54] Ramit: How a lot time?
[00:35:56] Hayden: 4 or 5 months.
[00:35:58] Ramit: Wow. How a lot cash are we speaking about?
[00:36:00] Hayden: 35,000.
[00:36:03] Ramit: Wow.
[00:36:05] Hayden: It received to the purpose the place my cash received low. I took out a private mortgage at a 20-something p.c simply to proceed the lie. With dependancy, there’s lies, gaslighting, all the issues. And ultimately, there was a degree the place my again was on the wall. There was no extra maintaining it a secret and mendacity about it.
[00:36:29] So once I got here clear to Taylor, or was compelled to– I do not wish to give myself credit score. Like I, “Hey, babe. Really, I have been mendacity for–” In order that’s probably not what occurred. What occurred was there was no extra room to maneuver, and clearly she was very harm.
[00:36:44] Ramit: Taylor, when did you understand one thing was flawed?
[00:36:47] Taylor: Even from the start, as quickly as he acquired the cash from his home, I had doubts. He would return to his hometown, blow a superb sum of money, and I might be like, what’s going on? He is like, “I simply must have enjoyable. I want to do that. I want to do this.” So we had a variety of talks about that.
[00:37:03] After which he had blown by way of every thing. I did not know but. He had gotten the non-public mortgage, and he was doing a Zoom assembly for his actual property and he wanted one thing from his e-mail. And I mentioned, “Don’t be concerned. I am going to discover it for you. Hold going in your interview.” I am going by way of his e-mail to seek out what it’s that he wanted, and I discover an e-mail concerning the private mortgage, and I am like, “Hmm, this appears odd.”
[00:37:27] So I get him what he wants. He will get off the interview, and I am like, “Hey, I discovered this factor in your e-mail. This appears predatory. Is that this one thing that you just’re doing?” And he is like, “No, no, no, by no means. I used to be simply seeing if I may qualify for this, da da da da.” And in my head I am like, “I really feel like that is [Bleep].”
[00:37:45] After which later he comes clear to me that in that second, he went to work and was screaming, crying, throwing up within the automotive as a result of clearly I came upon. Despite the fact that he had satisfied me that it wasn’t like that. After which possibly six or so months later is when him and I had a dialog and I used to be like, “Is there one thing you must inform me?”
[00:38:04] Ramit: Are you telling me took him six months to return clear about?
[00:38:07] Taylor: After he had taken out the mortgage. Yeah. I believe in whole, it ended up being a 12 months from when he moved in is once I actually came upon every thing.
[00:38:15] Ramit: What occurred if you came upon? What was it?
[00:38:17] Taylor: I used to be devastated as a result of I by no means wished to really feel like a person was simply dwelling off of me. And that is precisely what it ended up feeling like. As a result of right here I’m paying for our complete life in hopes you could lower your expenses, do your investments, pay in your actual property so as to do every thing you wish to do. As a result of he is telling me that is what he desires.
[00:38:37] That is his dream. And so I am like, “Okay. I am in a spot that I can completely pay for us when you’re doing that. I did ask you to maneuver down right here with me. I requested you to surrender loads, so that is the least I can do.” After which I discover out he blew $40,000 and wasn’t paying me [Bleep], wasn’t providing me a dime.
[00:38:55] And so it felt a lot like I used to be being taken benefit of. It felt like I used to be clearly not a precedence. After which to maintain up a lie for a 12 months, understanding I used to be discovering out little bits and items and I used to be simply constantly getting lied to, gasoline lit, that basically harm our relationship loads.
[00:39:15] Ramit: The place did you go from there? It looks like it will be actually powerful to get well from.
[00:39:20] Taylor: I believe in a means we’re nonetheless recovering from it, and I believe that is why the monetary stuff has gotten as severe as it’s. These are questions I’ve requested myself, like, at what extent is it going to cease? At what level am I going to must be like, “I am unable to?” And a variety of instances I do not like to consider that as a result of I do not need that to be the case. I would like this to work so badly.
[00:39:41] I would like for this to be reconciled so badly. And my hope is that if I inform him, “Hey, sooner or later I’ll go away if you happen to do not repair it,” that he is simply going to repair it as a result of he loves me and needs to be with me. And it hurts loads once I say that and issues do not change. As a result of then it tells me in my mind, “Oh, he does not love you adequate to alter the issues. And he is aware of that sooner or later you are going to get sick and drained, and he is okay with that.”
[00:40:09] Hayden: We have had that dialog, and I really feel very trapped with that.
[00:40:14] Ramit: Why?
[00:40:15] Hayden: I wrestle with different issues outdoors of simply previous trauma and stuff. I wrestle with compulsion, clearly. ADHD fairly heavy, nervousness. So there’s different limitations outdoors of simply not wanting to offer Taylor what she desires.
[00:40:33] Ramit: Are you getting assist for these issues?
[00:40:36] Hayden: Yeah, yeah.
[00:40:37] Ramit: That is good.
[00:40:38] Hayden: Mm-hmm. Yeah. We’ve got our personal private therapist plus a private.
[00:40:43] Ramit: It is actually good.
[00:40:44] Hayden: I am additionally in GA now. I’ve been for, I assume, 14 months. I have never gambled since. So I believe it is discouraging, and generally it seems like a few of my effort is likely to be discounted, nevertheless it’s actually laborious for me to assume like that, or ever really feel sorry for myself primarily based off the story you simply received, which was 100% correct. She did not miss something.
[00:41:10] Ramit: Whenever you took that non-public mortgage out, how a lot was the mortgage for?
[00:41:15] Hayden: 7,500 bucks.
[00:41:17] Ramit: $7,500. Who’d you’re taking it from?
[00:41:21] Hayden: I do not even bear in mind.
[00:41:23] Taylor: LendingPoint.
[00:41:25] Ramit: Oh [Bleep].
[00:41:25] Taylor: I bear in mind. It was a giant deal to me.
[00:41:27] Ramit: What was the rate of interest?
[00:41:29] Hayden: Oh, 22 in all probability.
[00:41:32] Ramit: How have been you planning to pay it again?
[00:41:34] Hayden: I assume I did not actually have a lot of a plan on the time. I believe my plan was to cease playing, however I did not come clear to anybody concerning the struggles that I had.
[00:41:46] Ramit: How did it really feel to maintain that secret from Taylor?
[00:41:50] Hayden: Oh my God. Took years off of my life in all probability. It was horrible. Overwhelmed with guilt to the purpose the place when she’s asking me about cash, I am getting visibly upset together with her, and actually, it isn’t together with her in any respect. I am getting upset together with her as a result of I do know I’ll must mislead her when she asks.
[00:42:09] Ramit: Do you continue to really feel like it’s important to lie about cash?
[00:42:12] Hayden: No. I am fairly clear with my cash, and that is a part of my restoration too. I gave her full entry to all of my accounts and stuff like that.
[00:42:22] Ramit: When you weren’t telling her concerning the private mortgage that you just’d taken out, what was holding you again from telling her? What have been you afraid of?
[00:42:30] Hayden: Oh. Initially, I used to be fearful about not with the ability to gamble. After which I used to be additionally fearful about, if she knew all of this, I believe she would go away.
[Narration]
[00:42:41] Ramit: I wish to pause right here for a second. I actually respect Hayden’s honesty. Admitting that he lied to Taylor about cash, particularly in entrance of her on this name, takes a variety of braveness. However regardless of that honesty, he’s nonetheless glossing over one thing essential. He mentioned if she knew all of this, I believe she would go away. However we ought to be trustworthy. Taylor has already mentioned she’s fascinated with leaving, not hypothetically. She has mentioned flat out, if issues do not change, she’s gone. That is not a distant threat. That may be a present actuality.
[00:43:17] Typically we’re so fearful about what would possibly occur that we ignore what’s truly occurring in entrance of our eyes. However to his credit score, Hayden has taken some actual steps. He is gone to GA, Gamblers Nameless. He began remedy. I respect that. It isn’t simple. However that sample of damaged belief continues to be there. So hear as I push them to get trustworthy with themselves.
[Interview]
[00:43:38] Ramit: Hayden, can I make a degree about your scenario proper now? So that you talked about again then you definitely held onto this lie for a very long time. You have been fearful that she would break up with you. However proper now Taylor is telling you in no unsure phrases that if issues do not change, she may need to depart.
[00:43:55] On the similar time, again then you definitely have been fearful about not with the ability to gamble. And proper now, even only a few minutes in the past you mentioned, “I wish to nonetheless have enjoyable with my cash.” Do you see the similarities in what was occurring again then and what’s occurring proper now?
[00:44:12] Hayden: Certain. Yeah. I assume in each eventualities, she is just not cool with how I am utilizing or spending my cash. And in each eventualities, if these issues have been to proceed, she would go away.
[00:44:30] Ramit: Have you ever mentioned that Taylor?
[00:44:34] Taylor: Yeah, and he actually does not like once I say that. To me it seems like I am setting a boundary. If this continues, if this conduct continues, I might want to go away. And I really feel like generally the best way that he hears it is sort of a risk or an assault. And so to him it feels not honest. However to me, I really feel like staying when one thing like that is occurring is just not honest. For me, this seems like the most important downside in our relationship.
[00:45:01] Ramit: Okay. Hayden, do you agree?
[00:45:06] Hayden: Sure, with an asterisk.
[00:45:08] Ramit: Inform me.
[00:45:08] Hayden: It isn’t my greatest downside. It is Taylor’s.
[00:45:11] Ramit: What? Cash is just not your greatest downside?
[00:45:17] Hayden: In our relationship. In relation to what I might wish to discuss with our {couples} therapists, no.
[00:45:24] Ramit: Taylor is actually telling us, that is the most important downside to me. If one thing is the most important downside to 1 associate, it is the most important downside to each.
[00:45:32] Hayden: Certain.
[00:45:33] Ramit: And the truth that your earnings have been minimize by greater than half, the truth that you gambled and hid it away, the truth that you haven’t managed to avoid wasting or make investments a lot, although your dwelling bills are completely coated, how’s that not high three or high downside?
[00:45:50] Hayden: I take into consideration if I do try to I’m going actually laborious for the funds and it nonetheless finally ends up not being ok and he or she nonetheless leaves, how am I going to really feel about that? Versus if I do not attempt in any respect and he or she leaves.
[00:46:05] Ramit: Yeah, that is referred to as self-handicapping. That is what children do the day earlier than they’ve a take a look at in faculty, they usually go, “I am simply going to exit and get wasted.” After which they get a nasty grade they usually go, “See, I advised you learning does not even work. It does not even make a distinction, so I am simply going to maintain going out.”
[00:46:19] That is precisely the textbook definition of self-handicapping. That is precisely what you are doing. I am not going to attempt, as a result of if I try to I fail, then what does it say about me? Are you able to truly reply the query? For those who attempt after which Taylor truly leaves, what does it truly say about you?
[00:46:38] Hayden: Incompetent, not ok, silly, all of the issues.
[00:46:43] Ramit: You are caught in your personal cycle, which isn’t serving to you progress ahead. And in the meantime, you may have a associate right here who’s saying, “I want you on this. I want you to work on your self as a result of my expectations are that you just come as much as this stage.” Not essentially incomes some loopy revenue, however partaking with cash. How does it really feel once I say that out loud?
[00:47:10] Hayden: All of it feels high quality. My greatest worry, once more, is to say no to a superb time or no to having enjoyable, having experiences. And if the reply is like, you’ll be able to’t, it is laborious to enroll. It is laborious to be cool and okay with that.
[00:47:28] Ramit: Mm-hmm.
[00:47:29] Hayden: Yeah.
[00:47:30] Ramit: Taylor?
[00:47:32] Taylor: He has overcome a lot, like being in GA each single week, not playing. He is executed that for a 12 months. That isn’t simple. That is actually troublesome. And for me to observe him do a variety of these actually troublesome issues, however we can not seem to repair this cash subject, it makes me really feel like, oh, the issue is me. He does not prioritize me. That is why it isn’t necessary to him.
[00:47:57] After which I do not ever wish to scare him and make him really feel like I do not acknowledge and respect the issues that he has modified as a result of I do, and I do know that a few of his downside is that he feels just like the modifications he does make, I simply maintain asking for increasingly and extra.
[00:48:15] I can do higher on that half about being extra grateful or appreciative when modifications are made. However, at this level, I really feel like I’ve been affected person. I really feel like I’ve tried to be there I do not wish to harp on the previous, however that playing factor was terrible for me. That harm me.
[00:48:34] And I believe I did loads to attempt to rekindle issues and check out to make things better and wish to proceed to go from there. That was actually laborious for me. And so it isn’t that I do not respect the issues which have modified. It simply feels prefer it’s not sufficient to make up for what I felt throughout that point.
[00:48:58] Ramit: What strikes me is if you say it isn’t sufficient. I believe that when one thing occurs in a relationship early on that may be traumatic, it is very easy to reside there for a very long time. These issues have lasting results. They’ve had it on each of you and in your relationship.
[00:49:14] Whenever you say it isn’t sufficient, that connects with me as a result of I believe your expectations are greater than what Hayden is delivering by way of effort, engagement with cash, that sort of factor. I believe it will be troublesome for me to listen to, it isn’t sufficient to make up for what occurred prior to now. The previous occurred.
[00:49:35] From what I hear, Hayden, you are doing a very good job of being concerned in GA, partaking with a number of therapists. That’s commendable. It is actually laborious. It is wonderful. I do assume that in all probability making a imaginative and prescient of the place you each wish to go and truly setting your boundaries. Here is what this appears to be like like.
[00:49:58] Here is what I want, and I hope you could ship that. I hope that you are the particular person for me. But when not, these are my boundaries. That’s fairly totally different than saying it isn’t sufficient to make up for what occurred prior to now. However there’s so many layers right here. What wouldn’t it take to really feel like Hayden has pores and skin within the sport past the $100 a month?
[00:50:26] Taylor: Like what issues would I would want to see from him?
[00:50:29] Ramit: Yeah.
[00:50:30] Taylor: A plan, a stable plan that he is following, that’s reoccurring, that is constant. As a result of it isn’t that I want extra money from him I do not. I want it to appear like that is necessary to him, that it’s a precedence, that he has created a system, that he is following it, that it is constant. That is what I want.
[00:50:55] Ramit: Hayden, what do you hear Taylor saying proper now?
[00:50:59] Hayden: Yeah, I believe what I hear Taylor say, and I’ve identified this, it is by no means about how a lot cash I make. It is completely what I do with it and the way I handle it. No matter that X greenback quantity is, it does not actually matter to her. However she must really feel okay with us getting married and merging that cash as a result of now it is ours.
[00:51:24] Ramit: How would she know that you’re taking her request severely?
[00:51:31] Hayden: I believe above the rest, consistency. I’ve tried an entire bunch of stuff. Even that pocket book that you just noticed that, it was her thought to do. I’ve tried that, however I have never been as constant as I might be.
[00:51:46] Ramit: How a lot of your relationship with cash and like what you do in your relationship is simply to get Taylor off your again so she stops asking you questions?
[00:51:54] Hayden: Most of it, and I believe that is the issue too.
[00:51:57] Ramit: Maintain on. Earlier than you go into explaining, simply sit with that for a second. What did you simply say to me?
[00:52:04] Hayden: Many of the issues that I do with cash is simply to get Taylor off my again.
[00:52:15] Ramit: So what do you guys wish to do?
[00:52:21] Taylor: I wish to repair the holes. I wish to stop future holes if we may. I do know that issues aren’t going to be excellent and we’re nonetheless going to have small spats, however I would like so badly, once more, for us to have the ability to even be near the identical web page, the identical e book. I wish to make this work. I actually do.
[00:52:38] Ramit: Okay. Hayden, what do you wish to do?
[00:52:43] Hayden: I wish to marry Taylor, so no matter that takes. No matter I’ve received to do to do this, I believe that is the irritating half. No matter it is–
[00:52:50] Ramit: Okay, you wish to do it in order that she agrees to get engaged. Superb. Is that the one motive? Is there something for you to–
[00:52:57] Hayden: Not likely.
[00:52:59] Ramit: Okay.
[Narration]
[00:53:00] Ramit: This actually stopped me chilly. After I requested Hayden why he desires to alter, his reply was, “I would like Taylor to marry me.” I believe he means it, nevertheless it’s not sufficient. Whenever you’re attempting to make a serious change with cash, you can brute drive it for some time. You may examine your account day-after-day. You may promise to understand your associate each morning.
[00:53:23] You may attempt tougher to chop again on overspending, however actual change, deep, lasting change requires one thing far more than attempting tougher. You want a giant, vivid, highly effective motive that helps maintain you on observe when it will get laborious. Possibly it is, I am uninterested in not with the ability to purchase my children a birthday present yearly. Or I am not going to go to the grocery retailer anymore and surprise if there’s cash in my account on the checkout lane. Or I wish to go to my highschool reunion with my head held excessive.
[00:53:57] And generally even these highly effective causes aren’t sufficient. Give it some thought. People who find themselves in life or loss of life medical situations, even they usually don’t take their prescribed remedy. That’s how laborious it’s to alter. Realizing that’s the reason I push individuals so laborious to get particular. As a result of these generalities like, I must attempt tougher, they do not work. They do not change conduct.
[00:54:21] After per week or two, you simply go proper again to what you have been doing. I wish to hear particular, vivid causes like this. “I would like my spouse to smile once I stroll within the door as a result of I do know I’ve gotten every thing I must do, executed with my funds.” That particular. It is emotional. It is actual. Or higher but, I wish to be pleased with myself. I do know others have taken management of their cash, so I do know I can too.
[00:54:45] That is what I am attempting to get Hayden to seek out, his actual motive. And till he finds that, it is only for another person, and it is laborious to make that stick. Deep down Taylor is aware of this. You may hear her response in only a second.
[Interview]
[00:55:00] Taylor: I hate that as a result of I would like him to wish to do that as a result of it is good for him. It is good for me. It is good for our potential household. He sees the advantages of all of this stuff. I do not need him to only try this as a result of he desires to marry me. As a result of that is not going to carry up perpetually. I do not wish to be the one motive that you just make good selections. I would like you to wish to do that for you and our household, and never simply me.
[00:55:29] Hayden: Sure, our household as properly. I assume what I am fascinated with for me is I wish to be married with Taylor and have a household with. That is how I am doing it for me, I assume. That is where–
[00:55:40] Ramit: Hayden, you are attempting to keep away from trying inside and realizing the best way that you must change your relationship with cash, and also you’re disguising it. You are camouflaging it by attempting to please Taylor. Oh, if I simply do that factor for Taylor, then she is going to get married to me. However what she actually desires is so that you can enhance your self and your personal relationship with cash. She desires you to enhance it, whether or not you are collectively or not.
[00:56:10] Hayden: I believe my purpose is much like Taylor’s, repair the holes and stop future ones. And I believe, if I am being trustworthy, the best way that I have been going about it and the conversations that we’ve got, I can see why for her it is like the best way that you just wish to repair these holes and stop future ones is by me decreasing my requirements.
[00:56:30] Ramit: What was the factor about decreasing requirements? Who must decrease them?
[00:56:34] Hayden: Taylor?
[00:56:37] Ramit: What is going on? Maintain on. Am I listening to this flawed?
[00:56:40] Hayden: No, I believe you might be listening to it flawed.
[00:56:42] Ramit: Okay, okay. Let me make clear.
[00:56:44] Hayden: I believe everyone’s listening to it flawed.
[00:56:45] Ramit: Okay, okay. Let’s take a second to make clear as a result of I wish to be sure I am getting this proper. So Taylor mentioned, “I wish to repair this. I wish to repair the holes.” After which Hayden, you mentioned, “I additionally wish to repair the holes. I believe the best way to do this is–” After which what was the factor about decreasing requirements?
[00:57:02] Hayden: Yeah, that is the place you heard it flawed. I believe that I wish to repair the holes and stop future ones. And I really feel like with me and her having all of those conversations, one thing that I am seeing and one thing that she’s additionally advised me is that my means of going about that’s having her decrease her requirements.
[00:57:23] I am not saying that that is what ought to occur or that I wish to do, however that has been– we have been collectively nearly 4 years now, and that is what I’ve introduced, is like, all proper, I do not deal with cash the way you need me to. Are you able to recover from it, principally?
[00:57:37] Ramit: Wow. That is fairly insightful. Yeah, so she first begins off like, “I really need us to be companions. I really need us to be engaged on this, speaking about on a regular basis. Okay, high quality. We’re not going to do this. Okay, high quality. Let me design this little money pockets for you. I simply need you to make use of that. Oh, you are not even going to make use of that money pockets. Okay. I simply need you to contribute $100 a month. Are you able to try this?”
[00:57:57] Hayden: Hmm.
[00:57:58] Ramit: Gosh. It is like a downward spiral.
[00:58:02] Taylor: Mm-hmm.
[00:58:03] Ramit: I truly choose an upward spiral. We will get higher collectively. We will push one another. Our imaginative and prescient of our wealthy life goes to get greater and larger and richer and extra expansive. Now, that is not for everyone. That is my philosophy. I knew that once I was courting one of many core values, I wish to search for anyone’s who fascinated with self-development.
[00:58:26] They must be prepared to enhance themselves. Could possibly be by way of health, dance, cash, no matter. As a result of that is a core worth of mine. I’ll be wanting to enhance myself. Is she? But when it is a downward spiral, that is fairly a unique relationship. Taylor, what is going on on proper now?
[00:58:45] Taylor: I am feeling very heard. I am feeling very seen as a result of I really feel like I have been so immune to, I am not going to alter my requirements. However as you have talked, I really feel like I’ve been giving into that, once more, to make the connection work. And it is like I am taking a look at myself like, “Lady, arise.”
[00:59:03] Ramit: Go on. Arise and what?
[00:59:08] Taylor: I do not understand how I’ll make him, however make him determine it out or go away. Cease with the I am attempting to repair it. I am attempting to repair it. It solely works if we each wish to repair it and we each are doing one thing to repair it. So it makes me really feel like I am simply ready round till ultimately I simply get upset sufficient that I am like, “I am executed.” And I do not need that both as a result of what I do need is that if we’re going to break up, I might a minimum of prefer it to be no hostility, amicable.
[00:59:41] Ramit: Hayden?
[00:59:44] Hayden: Uh-huh.
[00:59:45] Ramit: What do you hear? What do you hear Taylor saying?
[00:59:48] Hayden: What I hear her saying is that she’s already lowered her requirements, and he or she’s executed that by actually taking management. I believe in a really perfect world for her, I would have it discovered simply as a lot as she does.
[01:00:00] Ramit: Mm-hmm. Hold going.
[01:00:04] Hayden: I additionally assume that we each received to wish to repair it, however I believe in relation to me individually, I actually must be the one carrying most of that weight. And I believe a wrestle that I’ll have is, I do not know what I am doing, so I’ll slip. I’ll fail at some issues. There’s going to be instances the place I miss the mark. And I believe– yeah.
[01:00:29] Ramit: It is attention-grabbing, Hayden. You’ve got executed this now a number of instances the place we discuss one thing, a change, and your response is at all times to enumerate all of the potential issues. A problem we’ll face. Here is the issue. Here is the issue I’ve had. Here is the issue that I’ve proper now the place she has. The worst case. What about speaking about the perfect case? You ever take into consideration that?
[01:00:56] Hayden: No. No, I assume not.
[01:00:58] Ramit: Yeah. It is fairly attention-grabbing. It is a very totally different imaginative and prescient of how the world works. My basic philosophy on life is like, we’ll make this [Bleep] good. So let’s discuss what occurs in the perfect case.
[01:01:11] Hayden: I believe in the perfect case, I simply get my [Bleep] collectively. I believe that is actually it. I get my [Bleep] collectively. I develop up.
[01:01:18] Ramit: Okay, let’s do it proper now. Actually proper now, within the subsequent three minutes. You wish to do it?
[01:01:25] Hayden: Certain.
[01:01:26] Ramit: All proper. I’ll put your CSP up on display screen. You inform me what you wish to do with it.
[01:01:31] Hayden: Okay. Taylor makes about seven instances greater than I do, so if our lease is $2,015, I wish to contribute $288 a month to that. Ideally, that is what I wish to do.
[01:01:47] Ramit: Nice. You wish to contribute extra to housing? I like that. What else?
[01:01:52] Hayden: The sinking fund for the holidays, I believe we are able to change that to $400.
[01:01:58] Ramit: Okay.
[01:01:59] Hayden: Yeah. So now we’ve got, what, 98 bucks left over?
[01:02:04] Ramit: Sure. So what actually used to occur, a minimum of in response to the CSP, is you have been spending over $400 extra monthly than you made. Do you know that?
[01:02:16] Hayden: Yeah, yeah. I bear in mind seeing that on there.
[01:02:20] Ramit: So that may’t occur.
[01:02:22] Hayden: Proper.
[01:02:22] Ramit: How are you going to be spending greater than you make when your associate is paying your lease?
[01:02:26] Hayden: Mm-hmm.
[01:02:27] Ramit: It simply does not make any sense.
[01:02:28] Hayden: I am spending about what I make. That is what I might say.
[01:02:33] Ramit: Okay, so what’s the issue right here?
[01:02:36] Hayden: It is the sum of money that is accessible.
[01:02:39] Ramit: That is right. You do not make sufficient cash. Proper now you make about $12 an hour.
[01:02:44] Hayden: Proper.
[01:02:45] Ramit: So what do you wish to do?
[01:02:47] Hayden: I am working loads. I am working my part-time job, and I am additionally doing the actual property loads. What I can do, I really feel like, is what I am doing proper now, which is being engaged in each jobs. So the second job that I’ve, with the actual property, that was my solely job final 12 months. So me selecting up the bartending is that second job. So I ought to be making extra money.
[01:03:10] Ramit: Okay. Taylor, is that sufficient for you?
[01:03:15] Taylor: The planning is what’s– I do not care what he does and what the roles are. I simply wish to make it possible for we’ve got time for our relationship and for there to be some acutely aware spending plan, if you’ll.
[01:03:33] Ramit: You’ve got talked about getting married within the subsequent couple of years. What does that imaginative and prescient appear like, Hayden?
[01:03:42] Hayden: I believe that it appears to be like very safe doubtless, filled with confidence and love.
[01:03:51] Ramit: I like that. What about for you, Taylor?
[01:03:54] Taylor: Yeah, I believe that is excellent. Feeling good about our relationship, assured about our relationship, with the ability to talk and it being constructive and simply belief.
[01:04:06] Ramit: Yeah. Taylor, what do you assume it will take so that you can really feel comfy getting engaged?
[01:04:15] Taylor: I believe it will take constant, what I might name accountable conduct with cash, like having a plan, sticking to the plan, having to make powerful selections, and with the ability to try this.
[01:04:32] Ramit: What do you want from Hayden particularly to belief him with cash?
[01:04:37] Taylor: I want for him to be spending lower than he makes. I want him to be saving and investing for the long run and fascinated with our future and that being a precedence financially.
[01:04:56] Hayden: I am not listening to something new. She’s fairly constant together with her message on what she wants.
[01:05:01] Ramit: And do you may have any responses to these issues that she desires?
[01:05:07] Hayden: For me, I’ve to maintain my happiness in examine too, and I really feel like that is what I have been fearful about, is how a lot am I prepared to surrender?
[01:05:19] Ramit: What are you giving up?
[01:05:24] Hayden: Dangerous habits, but in addition some freedom.
[01:05:32] Ramit: You each mentioned you wish to get married. You each mentioned it is necessary to you. To me, proper now, it does not look like you are transferring to in the direction of that. It looks like you might be circling. There’s parts of the previous, and there is simply a variety of spinning and speaking extra about issues than options. We will not resolve every thing right here right this moment, however we may attempt to take a primary step. What would that first step be if you happen to have been actually particular about what every of you is prepared to decide to doing? Taylor?
[01:06:10] Taylor: I’ll decide to being extra appreciative of the modifications which can be occurring. I can decide to attempting to maintain my very own ranges of fear and stress down in order that I am not panicking as a lot. And attempting my finest to focus extra on the long run forward and never a lot about him making up for the previous.
[01:06:44] Ramit: Okay. How about you, Hayden?
[01:06:47] Hayden: I believe what I can decide to is simply taking it extra severe, looking for methods to go and earn more money. After which it being a constant thought on my thoughts, and setting objectives, planning, and attempting to higher my monetary scenario.
[01:07:07] Ramit: Hayden, do you wish to change?
[01:07:09] Hayden: Yeah, after all. I really feel overwhelmed since I’ve met Taylor how a lot I’ve needed to change. There’s been a variety of self-improvement and alter that she’s demanded from me. That is simply one thing else.
[01:07:23] Ramit: And the way do you are feeling about that?
[01:07:26] Hayden: The sensation of not feeling ok and stuff creeps in, clearly, if I am having to alter all of this stuff. However I believe that the issues that I’ve modified, being with Taylor have simply made my life simpler, and it is made me a greater particular person. So with that proof, I assume, why would this be any totally different?
[01:07:45] Taylor: One thing we have needed to discuss is that the issues that I’ve requested for him to alter will not be inherent elements of who he’s, and I believe it is necessary for him to understand that. Possibly performing some issues which can be irresponsible with cash is just not who you might be. It is a behavior that you’ve. Simply because I’ve requested so that you can change, that does not imply that you’re unhealthy.
[01:08:08] It signifies that, there are some issues that you just do that may not be appropriate with the objectives that we’ve got collectively. And so some issues do want to alter. That doesn’t imply you might be unhealthy otherwise you inherently will not be ok, or that these are issues which can be part of your id.
[01:08:27] Hayden: Thanks for saying that.
[01:08:28] Taylor: Yeah.
[01:08:30] Ramit: Hayden, how do you are feeling now versus after we began this dialog?
[01:08:37] Hayden: I assume there is a sense of enlightenment. I see the place we stand proper now.
[01:08:42] Ramit: The place is that?
[01:08:47] Hayden: The best way it is coming throughout is it is make or break time. Both I do it or I do not.
[01:08:54] Ramit: Mm-hmm.
[01:08:55] Hayden: Yeah.
[01:08:57] Taylor: Do you may have total recommendation on particular issues that we are able to just do to start this steps?
[01:09:07] Ramit: I do. I do have particular recommendation. That is the primary time both of you may have requested me, and I sometimes am not very directive, however you requested, so I will likely be. I believe that you will have to recalibrate your relationship dynamics. And that’s laborious. Consciously and unconsciously, we do not like change. And the query is, do we’ve got a strong sufficient imaginative and prescient to hold us by way of these troublesome instances? You clearly wish to be collectively. That is clear.
[01:09:47] My particular suggestion can be that Hayden units up a e book membership with Cash for {Couples}, this e book. That he leads the studying of that e book, and that every week the 2 of you undergo two or three chapters, and he is the one driving it, establishing the conferences, studying it forward of time, developing with dialogue questions, driving that.
[01:10:12] And Taylor, you are there. You are like, “I am going to reply something. I am going to take part, however I am not going to guide it. I’ve executed that for too lengthy. I wish to see you do it.” And I believe that will likely be fairly revealing as a result of some persons are able to be companions and others will not be. And I believe Hayden, if it is necessary to you, finally backside line, you will do it. You may discover a strategy to do it.
[01:10:34] In order that’s the very first thing I might do. That is going to open up conversations about what do the 2 of you need? How are you truly spending cash right this moment? The place do you have to change it? Most likely revenue wants to alter. That simply must occur. After which that cash must be reallocated appropriately.
[01:10:55] And to me, getting the habits proper now, if you two will not be married, do not have kids, that tells me a lot. It tells me if you are able to do it now, you’ll be able to in all probability do it even higher as your loved ones grows, as your revenue grows, as your complexity grows. However if you cannot get it executed proper now, it’ll be actually laborious to alter later.
[01:11:17] And you’ll fairly rapidly know the way it’s going since you’ll get by way of the e book, and you will have way more readability on what to do. Otherwise you will not get by way of the e book, and that will likely be fairly telling. That may be what I might do step-by-step. Hayden, do you may have any questions that I can reply for you?
[01:11:35] Hayden: I do not know if you happen to’re in a position to reply it, however I would like some steering on how I can change my mindset. As a result of I do not need the mindset that I at present have. That is a giant motive why we’re right here. Nevertheless it’s laborious to get out of your personal head.
[01:11:51] Ramit: Okay. You inform me.
[01:11:53] Hayden: I let you know what?
[01:11:54] Ramit: How may you do it?
[01:11:55] Hayden: I’ve received to get actually good at telling myself no, telling others no. I assume I wish to be there for me.
[01:12:01] Ramit: What does that imply?
[01:12:04] Hayden: I wish to do good for me, not only for Taylor.
[01:12:08] Ramit: Okay. I like that. I like that. Nice query. I might do a few issues. Primary, I might discover a e book and or a program that speaks to you. Learn it, eat it, hearken to it. However first you wish to encompass your self with one thing that evokes you. Two, I might begin to take a management function in one thing that you’ve been sitting within the backseat on.
[01:12:36] That is why I really useful you main the conversations about Cash for {Couples}. For too lengthy you have been passive. You let Taylor lead every thing, and he or she’s principally telling you, “I am sick of it. And if I’ve to maintain doing it, I am out of right here.” That is what she’s telling you.
[01:12:48] So one of the simplest ways to unravel that’s to truly step up and take a management function. Lead, and inform Taylor– you set the requirements. You say, “Pay attention, here is the place I believe I’ll do an amazing job. Here is the place I believe I won’t reside as much as my very own requirements, however I’ll ask you to offer me slightly little bit of grace.”
[01:13:07] And also you inform her precisely what number of weeks since you’ve seemed on the e book, you have seemed on the desk of contents, and also you made a plan. It is in Google Calendar. The invitations are already despatched. Principally, you are not ready for her to avoid wasting the day as a result of she’s not going to.
[01:13:20] That is what I might do. What you are noticing, to alter your mindset is usually ranging from the skin in. Begin by setting these conferences. Begin by main. And begin by making a imaginative and prescient for your self. What’s the sort of man I wish to be? What are the phrases that that man embodies? It is in all probability not passive.
[01:13:43] It is in all probability not ready round. Begin with these phrases. Begin with studying, surrounding your self with some constructive mindsets, after which most significantly, begin with taking motion. Act first. The mindsets will usually fall. Finally, if the 2 of you wish to get married and also you wish to make modifications, you’ll be able to. All proper. I respect you each. I am wishing you each the perfect.
[Narration]
[01:14:11] Ramit: If you’re scuffling with the right way to even begin a dialog like this together with your associate, I’ve received an amazing free useful resource for you. It is referred to as Discuss to Your Accomplice about Cash. It contains scripts that will help you navigate the powerful stuff with out beginning a struggle. You could find it at iwt.com/associate.
[01:14:31] I wish to thank Taylor and Hayden for becoming a member of me and having some actually troublesome conversations right this moment, and I would like the perfect for them. I’ve to confess that I am not assured Hayden will make the huge modifications essential to create a shared imaginative and prescient of cash. However I hope I am flawed.
[01:14:48] I wish to discuss one thing that I realized the laborious means. Early in my profession, I believed that success meant taking anyone who had a bunch of debt, displaying them my fancy IWT methods, after which they arrive out of debt with a giant outdated financial savings account. I believed if I did not engineer that transformation, I used to be a failure.
[01:15:09] However after years of doing this, after a e book and a Netflix present and all these conversations, I spotted I am unable to drive anyone to alter. Some persons are not prepared, and that is okay. And a few persons are. That is additionally nice. Typically individuals do not want fixing. Typically they only want to inform their story.
[01:15:32] However when anyone is prepared, and after they have a transparent motive, these modifications may be quick, and they are often deep, they usually can final, and that is why I am nonetheless right here with Hayden. As a result of I believe for the primary time, I hope he would possibly truly be prepared. Now let’s try their follow-ups.
[01:15:49] Taylor: I believe that I’ve to be higher about letting Hayden take management with sure issues, like him being an energetic participant. As a result of I believe Ramit was completely proper when he mentioned, “Right here Taylor comes simply to avoid wasting the day.” And I’ve received to make it possible for I am not doing that and I am giving him the chance.
[01:16:08] As quickly as we received off the assembly, he was doing a fairly good job of going over numbers after which coming to me with what he thought he may do. And he is been bringing them as much as me sometimes somewhat than me bringing it as much as him. So he is positively been taking it severely, taking that management function, and being an energetic participant in relation to funds.
[01:16:27] Hayden: I’ve two massive takeaways, and that is to drop the reasons and take instant motion. What I’ve executed to date is I’ve restructured the acutely aware spending plan. I’ve restructured my envelope e book, and I principally dissected all of my mounted prices and narrowed them down.
[01:16:48] There was a variety of fluff in issues that I needed to pay for, so I discovered like what I actually wanted to have paid each month. These are my mounted prices. So I’ve formulated a plan to be debt free by August or sooner, dropping my mounted prices from 76% to 56%.
